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		<title>By: Amana</title>
		<link>http://etcblog.org/2007/05/04/open-reply-to-planktos/#comment-5194</link>
		<dc:creator>Amana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recently there was a documentary that said seeding the top layer of the oceans would indeed capture atmospheric carbon. BUT it will not work holistically.

Apparently what happens as the captured carbon starts to sink into the depths (as plankton die), it changes the ecology and very little reaches the bottom. On it's way down it disturbs the non-surface ecology and ends up producing more greenhouse problems as that disruption rises to the surface or directly heats the oceans. 

The narrow minded approach of looking at what happens only at the surface is akin to polishing the outer surface of a delicious looking fruit and then biting into it to only find out that below the surface was a poisonous worm.

One could believe that companies such as this one are close relatives of the snake oil salesmen that roamed through the late 1800s and early 1900s America. That is selling poison (Laudanum, Cocaine, etc.). Those early people created huge wealth for them selves by destroying innumerable lives. 

A closer possible analogy would be the rampant sale of stocks in worthless or companies in 1920s USA. Unfortunately, a monetary collapse/depression will pass, we cannot be so sure about an atmospheric collapse. Recovery will happen but that is unlikely to happen before our species is gone.

One way to short circuit this process is to simply make all "carbon offset" trades only permissible when conducted by people/groups licensed the UN or other treaty organization.

Of course with so much money at stake, one would have to watch the politicians to ensure that the licenses were granted with concern for the planet and not careers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently there was a documentary that said seeding the top layer of the oceans would indeed capture atmospheric carbon. BUT it will not work holistically.</p>
<p>Apparently what happens as the captured carbon starts to sink into the depths (as plankton die), it changes the ecology and very little reaches the bottom. On it&#8217;s way down it disturbs the non-surface ecology and ends up producing more greenhouse problems as that disruption rises to the surface or directly heats the oceans. </p>
<p>The narrow minded approach of looking at what happens only at the surface is akin to polishing the outer surface of a delicious looking fruit and then biting into it to only find out that below the surface was a poisonous worm.</p>
<p>One could believe that companies such as this one are close relatives of the snake oil salesmen that roamed through the late 1800s and early 1900s America. That is selling poison (Laudanum, Cocaine, etc.). Those early people created huge wealth for them selves by destroying innumerable lives. </p>
<p>A closer possible analogy would be the rampant sale of stocks in worthless or companies in 1920s USA. Unfortunately, a monetary collapse/depression will pass, we cannot be so sure about an atmospheric collapse. Recovery will happen but that is unlikely to happen before our species is gone.</p>
<p>One way to short circuit this process is to simply make all &#8220;carbon offset&#8221; trades only permissible when conducted by people/groups licensed the UN or other treaty organization.</p>
<p>Of course with so much money at stake, one would have to watch the politicians to ensure that the licenses were granted with concern for the planet and not careers.</p>
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		<title>By: John Caley</title>
		<link>http://etcblog.org/2007/05/04/open-reply-to-planktos/#comment-3543</link>
		<dc:creator>John Caley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 03:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys
Good to see you are keeping an eye out for the world.

I must tell you, and I have no affiliations except to LIFE, that your reluctance to accept seeding the micro layer of the oceans is somewhat misguided.

Why, well you should read my website at omegafour.com
where I have been creating a compilation of data/articles on global climate change.

I am a scientist and IMO from a scientific standpoint, the seeding of the ocean is the only way to prevent this planet from going into full Global Drought.

The situation is far more serious than you or most people in the world realise.  Sorry, but the cause of the world's woes are really two fold.

(a) The atmosphere has an overpressure of carbon dioxide that is increasing the heat capacity of the atmosphere, but we also have a loss of cloud cover and a reduction in rainfall.

All in all this leads to an apparent but false atmospheric temperature warming.  Nothing of real importance here, except the prospect of a Global Drought

(b) There is also a layer of petroleum oil in the micro-layer covering the oceans.  This is the culprit that needed addressing decades ago.  Sadly this oil pollution has been entirely overlooked by all scientific bodies including the IPCC.  NASA knows, and the marine micro-layer biologists know, and the oil companies know
BUT not one of them has come out and alerted the world.
In fact Big Oil has deliberately muddied the waters of truth.

The project to seed the micro-layer is misguided... this is true ... but only because the focus is on carbon dioxide. 

However fortunately seeding the microlayer will also encourage the metabolism of this petroleum oil layer.  So, it really is a godsend that something can be done NOW.

I urge you to encourage this project, and in fact I urge you to alert all governments to follow suit.

Removing the oil layer will take years, maybe decades... there really is no time to lose.

But, even so it still may not work. Oils ain't oil nowadays, synthetic oils could well be impossible to remove.

I can assure you that if we can not re-mediate the ocean's micro-layer, Global Drought will precipitate WW111 and then all bets are off. 

Please read the data on my website that I have collected over many years of study.

I have written a hard science fiction novel detailing the scientific logic, problems and solution.
Title: "The Death of Clouds"

If we can not clear the oceans of oil in the immediate future I really fear for all LIFE on Earth.

Extinction is the most probable outcome, the situation is really that serious.

Good luck with your efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys<br />
Good to see you are keeping an eye out for the world.</p>
<p>I must tell you, and I have no affiliations except to LIFE, that your reluctance to accept seeding the micro layer of the oceans is somewhat misguided.</p>
<p>Why, well you should read my website at omegafour.com<br />
where I have been creating a compilation of data/articles on global climate change.</p>
<p>I am a scientist and IMO from a scientific standpoint, the seeding of the ocean is the only way to prevent this planet from going into full Global Drought.</p>
<p>The situation is far more serious than you or most people in the world realise.  Sorry, but the cause of the world&#8217;s woes are really two fold.</p>
<p>(a) The atmosphere has an overpressure of carbon dioxide that is increasing the heat capacity of the atmosphere, but we also have a loss of cloud cover and a reduction in rainfall.</p>
<p>All in all this leads to an apparent but false atmospheric temperature warming.  Nothing of real importance here, except the prospect of a Global Drought</p>
<p>(b) There is also a layer of petroleum oil in the micro-layer covering the oceans.  This is the culprit that needed addressing decades ago.  Sadly this oil pollution has been entirely overlooked by all scientific bodies including the IPCC.  NASA knows, and the marine micro-layer biologists know, and the oil companies know<br />
BUT not one of them has come out and alerted the world.<br />
In fact Big Oil has deliberately muddied the waters of truth.</p>
<p>The project to seed the micro-layer is misguided&#8230; this is true &#8230; but only because the focus is on carbon dioxide. </p>
<p>However fortunately seeding the microlayer will also encourage the metabolism of this petroleum oil layer.  So, it really is a godsend that something can be done NOW.</p>
<p>I urge you to encourage this project, and in fact I urge you to alert all governments to follow suit.</p>
<p>Removing the oil layer will take years, maybe decades&#8230; there really is no time to lose.</p>
<p>But, even so it still may not work. Oils ain&#8217;t oil nowadays, synthetic oils could well be impossible to remove.</p>
<p>I can assure you that if we can not re-mediate the ocean&#8217;s micro-layer, Global Drought will precipitate WW111 and then all bets are off. </p>
<p>Please read the data on my website that I have collected over many years of study.</p>
<p>I have written a hard science fiction novel detailing the scientific logic, problems and solution.<br />
Title: &#8220;The Death of Clouds&#8221;</p>
<p>If we can not clear the oceans of oil in the immediate future I really fear for all LIFE on Earth.</p>
<p>Extinction is the most probable outcome, the situation is really that serious.</p>
<p>Good luck with your efforts.</p>
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